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The Second Time


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The First Time is the podcast brainchild of writers Katherine Collette and Kate Mildenhall. Like getting warm and reassuring advice from two friends, The First Time is all about what happens the first time you publish a book, offering a behind the scenes look at all the thoughts and feelings writers experience when their book enters the world. They’ve interviewed everyone from Helen Garner to Graeme Simsion, Maggie Shipstead and Carly Findlay.

At this special live podcast recording, they’ll turn their attention to the often challenging experience of how to follow up a brilliant first book. Having just released second novels themselves, Collette and Mildenhall will speak with second-time authors Yumna Kassab (Australiana) and Robert Lukins (Loveland), whose new books deliver on the expectations set by their impressive debuts.

Join us for a candid and generous discussion of all the joys and anxieties inherent in the writing and publishing process, featuring some of this country’s most exciting sophomores.

The bookseller for this event is Hill of Content Bookshop


Yumna Kassab

Yumna Kassab is a writer from Western Sydney. Her first book, The House of Youssef, was listed for the Stella Prize, Victorian Premier’s Literary Award and the NSW Premier’s Literary Award. Her second book is Australiana and it has been released by Ultimo Press. Her writing has appeared ... Read more

Robert Lukins

Robert Lukins’s critically acclaimed debut novel, The Everlasting Sunday, was shortlisted for a number of awards including NSW Premier’s Literary Awards in two categories. His work has appeared in Crikey, Overland, The Big Issue, Rolling Stone, Broadsheet, Time Off, Inpress and other... Read more

Katherine Collette

Katherine Collette is a writer and sewage engineer living in Melbourne with her husband and two children. Her debut novel, The Helpline, is being published in Australia and New Zealand by Text Publishing in September and then in the UK, North America and Italy next year.

Kate Mildenhall

Kate Mildenhall is the author of Skylarking (2016) and The Mother Fault (2020). She co-hosts The First Time podcast, a podcast about the first time you publish a book. Kate lives on Wurundjeri lands in Hurstbridge with her partner and two children. She is currently undertaking a PhD in creative proc... Read more


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