Part of a podcast series

The Wheeler Centre

View all episodes in this series

Not Racist, But …: Why Are We Afraid of Being Called Racist?

Listen to Not Racist, But …: Why Are We Afraid of Being Called Racist?

Photo of Beverley Wang, Oishee Alam, Helen Ngo and Luke Pearson

Beverley Wang, Oishee Alam, Helen Ngo and Luke Pearson

How can we have constructive conversations about racism when everyone is so defensive? Are laws enough to tackle racism? And what’s the deal with identity politics? In this panel – the first in a series of four talks curated by Santilla Chingaipe – Beverley Wang, Luke Pearson, Helen Ngo and Oishee Alam explore definitions of racism, looking not just at overt examples but also implicit bias and systemic racism, with examples from Australian history.

Who?

Portrait of Beverley Wang

Beverley Wang

Beverley Wang is a journalist, broadcaster and creator of the ABC podcast It’s Not A Race, which has been hailed as a ground-breaking series opening up conversations on race in Australia. She is also the producer and co-host of Stop Everything! on ABC RN, focusing on the politics of pop culture.  

Portrait of Oishee Alam

Oishee Alam

Oishee Alam is a sociologist of race and religion, with a research and teaching focus on racism and anti-racism, Islamophobia, racialisation, nationalism, secularism and whiteness.

As a Research Fellow at the Challenging Racism Project at Western Sydney University, she is working to increase understandings of bystander action as a means of countering racism among Australian school students. Oishee completed her doctoral thesis in 2016, where she explored how white Australian converts to Islam conceptualised and negotiated race and racial identity after their conversion to Islam.

Portrait of Helen Ngo

Helen Ngo

Helen Ngo is Lecturer in Philosophy at Deakin University. She completed her PhD at Stony Brook University (USA), specialising in phenomenology, critical philosophy of race and feminist philosophy. Her research explores the phenomenological and existential dimensions of racism, and the relations of self, body, and world entailed in its lived experience. She is author of the recently published book, The Habits of Racism: A Phenomenology of Racism and Racialized Embodiment (Lexington 2017). 

Portrait of Luke Pearson

Luke Pearson

Luke Pearson is the founder of Indigenous media organisation IndigenousX. He is an editor, writer, consultant and public speaker.

The Wheeler Centre

Subscribe to the Wheeler Centre's podcast to hear full recordings of our talks – featuring the best in books, writing and ideas.