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#8 Kind of a Dream

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Photo of Behrouz Boochani and Abdul Aziz Muhamat swimming

Behrouz and Aziz at Hauwei Island — (Photo: Michael Green)

'I’m excited because … for almost three years I haven’t left the centre, and I was just locked inside there … Now, I’m walking on the streets – every two steps I take, I turn and I look behind me, like, "Where is the security guard?"'

Abdul Aziz Muhamat

It’s July 2016. On the morning Michael flies to Manus Island, Aziz leaves the detention centre for the first time in nearly three years.

In this episode, Aziz and Michael finally meet in person. Michael also meets some people from Manus Island, who explain how they feel about having the detention centre on their island.

Together with Behrouz Boochani, a Kurdish journalist and detainee, Aziz and Michael take a boat to a nearby island to swim, eat together, and escape the shadow of the detention centre. For Aziz, it’s an exhilarating time, full of new experiences and unexpected joys – but he knows it will soon come to an end.

Featured videos

The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz discuss their meeting on Manus Island

In this short video, Michael and Aziz talk about their meeting in Lorengau – and what comes next for each of them

The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz on the boat to Hauwei Island.mp4

Michael and Aziz on a boat trip to Hauwei Island, Manus Province, Papua New Guinea

Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison

Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison


A transcript of this episode is coming soon.

Further reading

In this episode

  • Abdul Aziz Muhamat

  • Behrouz Boochani

  • Michael Green

  • Benjamin Pokarup

  • Rose

  • Chris

  • Allen Muan

Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Capture the Flag’ by Broken Social Scene, ‘Sensuous’ by Cornelius, ‘The North Downs Dimension’ by Broadcast, ‘Sop’ by Monica Brooks, ‘Change’ and ‘Humming Song 2’ by Aoki Takamasa, Ogurusu Norihide and Takagi Masakatsu, ‘Super Botany’ by Stereolab and Marumari, ‘Dust Rising’ by Nick Huggins, ‘Kilvo’ by Radian, ‘Han Brydde Sig Inte Om Att Stiga Upp, Hela Dagen Lät Han Nya Bilder Och Funderingar Komma Och Gå Som De Ville, Sov Lite Ibland Och Vaknade Igen Och Visste Inte Alls Vem Han Var. Det Var En Fridfull Och Mycket Spännande Dag’ by Kim Hiorthøy, ‘Reminds Me of the Sun’ by OBX and Sophia, ‘On’ by Aphex Twin, ‘Exhale’ by Adrian Klumpes and ‘The Last Farewell’ by Roger Whittaker.

More information

The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It’s produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.

Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Carolyn Turner, Tiarne Cook and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia.

Thank you

Skye Hollingsworth for video editing, and Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire’s many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.


Portrait of Abdul Aziz Muhamat

Abdul Aziz Muhamat

Abdul Aziz Muhamat is a 24-year-old man from Darfur, Sudan. He is from the Zaghawa ethnicity, and with his family, he fled his village to a refugee camp. He arrived in Australia by boat in 2013 and was taken to Manus Island, where he remains.

Portrait of Michael Green

Michael Green

Michael Green is a journalist in Melbourne. He has written about environmental and social issues for the Age, Sydney Morning Herald, Nature, Nautilus, Smith Journal, Right Now and Overland, among others. He is the coordinator of Behind the Wire, and has been working on a book of people’s stories from detention called They Cannot Take the Sky, which will be published in March 2017 by Allen & Unwin. He is also producing an exhibition at Melbourne’s Immigration Museum based on the stories in the book, which will open on 17 March 2017.


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The Messenger

From Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre, The Messenger brings you into the Australian immigration detention centre on Manus Island – and reveals, in intimate detail, one man's experience of what it's really like to flee tragedy and seek asylum by boat.