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The Messenger

8 Kind of a Dream  /  Migration

Behrouz and Aziz at Hauwei Island — (Photo: Michael Green)

'I’m excited because … for almost three years I haven’t left the centre, and I was just locked inside there … Now, I’m walking on the streets – every two steps I take, I turn and I look behind me, like, "Where is the security guard?"'

Abdul Aziz Muhamat

It’s July 2016. On the morning Michael flies to Manus Island, Aziz leaves the detention centre for the first time in nearly three years.

In this episode, Aziz and Michael finally meet in person. Michael also meets some people from Manus Island, who explain how they feel about having the detention centre on their island.

Together with Behrouz Boochani, a Kurdish journalist and detainee, Aziz and Michael take a boat to a nearby island to swim, eat together, and escape the shadow of the detention centre. For Aziz, it’s an exhilarating time, full of new experiences and unexpected joys – but he knows it will soon come to an end.

Featured videos The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz discuss their meeting on Manus Island Watch

In this short video, Michael and Aziz talk about their meeting in Lorengau – and what comes next for each of them

The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz on the boat to Hauwei Island.mp4 Watch

Michael and Aziz on a boat trip to Hauwei Island, Manus Province, Papua New Guinea

Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison Watch

Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison


A transcript of this episode is coming soon.

Further reading ‘Welcome to Manus, the island that has been changed forever by Australian asylum-seeker policy’ by Jo Chandler, Guardian, 16 December 2014 ‘They Call Me Immigration’ by Omar Mohammed Jack, Inside Story, 5 April 2017 (excerpted from They Cannot Take the Sky: Stories from Detention, published by Allen and Unwin)

In this episode

Abdul Aziz Muhamat

Behrouz Boochani

Michael Green

Benjamin Pokarup



Allen Muan

Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Capture the Flag’ by Broken Social Scene, ‘Sensuous’ by Cornelius, ‘The North Downs Dimension’…

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