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Tackling crime the smart way


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Incarceration costs money, fragments families and makes it harder than ever for those who are locked up to be active, cohesive members of our community when they return. There has to be a better way.

How can we cut crime, reduce prison spending and strengthen communities?

In partnership with the Human Rights Law Centre and Smart Justice, our panel, including former Attorney-General Rob Hulls, former Commissioner Queensland Corrections Marlene Morison and Magistrate Pauline Spencer, takes an approach that’s both pragmatic and compassionate, looking for options that go beyond prison – and get better results.

Presented in partnership with Human Rights Law Centre and Smart Justice.


Pauline Spencer
Pauline Spencer

Pauline Spencer was appointed as a Magistrate in 2006. She currently sits at Dandenong Magistrates’ Court, one of Victoria’s busiest mainstream courts. Pauline previously worked as a lawyer in private practice, and in the community legal centre movement. Prior to her appointment, Pauline was the... Read more

Marlene Morison

Marlene is the former Corrective Services Commissioner for Queensland. She has worked across the breadth of probation, parole and prisons including as a forensic psychologist, General Manager and as Director of Prisons in Corrections Victoria. In Queensland she led a cultural approach to Aboriginal ... Read more

Rob Hulls

Rob Hulls is the former Victorian Labor attorney-general and deputy premier. As attorney-general, Rob instigated significant changes to Victoria’s legal system which saw the establishment of the state’s first Charter of Human Rights and reform to Victoria’s Upper House. He established speciali... Read more

Eddie Cubillo

Eddie Cubillo is an Aboriginal man with strong family links throughout the Northern Territory. His mother is of Larrakia/Wadjigan descent, and his father is Central Arrente. Eddie’s family has experienced the intergenerational effects of the policy of forced removal of children of mixed descent fr... Read more

Damien Carrick

Damien, a qualified lawyer, joined the ABC in 1996 as the producer of ABC Radio National’s Law Report and in 2001 became the presenter. In the past he has worked as a legal writer for the Victorian Equal Opportunity Commission and written for Australian Lawyer magazine. Before his career in the me... Read more


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